tw: homophobia, transphobia, sexism, indigenous erasure, racism: Queer Indigenous Hatred by Machista Chicanos

This will be my last post.

I first started this blog as a way to explore my “queerness” as being an Indigenous person, while also reblogging what I thought was interesting and great historical moments of “queerness” by primarily people of color and Indigenous folx. 

However in the past few days, this homophobic, transphobic, machista, and racist person, Tolteka, has been harassing me and attacking me because he does not believe there are queer indigenous people and denies that colonizers brought the western gender binary/ideas of sexuality. 

This is not okay!

Unfortunately this isn’t the first time I’ve dealth with this type of Chican@ mentality. 

Before I finish, I want to clarfiy a few things I’ve noticed and dealt with among primarily Chican@ spaces that are NOT okay.

  1. Being Mexican/Chican@ does not necessarily mean you have Indigenous roots in Mexico. (There are many Mexicans who are European, Arab, Black, Chinese, etc. It doesn’t mean they are not Mexican, it just means not everyone has Indigenous ties to the land)
  2. Not all Indigenous roots in México are Mexica (Aztec). Mexica are a group of Nahua folx. There are many Nahua folx, a lot of whom are Chichimeca (which is in itself a blanket term for many Nahua groups).  
  3. Nahuatl is not the only native language that existed in the area now called México before colonization. Nahuatl and many other native languages are still spoken today and are NOT EXTINCT.
  4. Being Mexican/Chican@ does not mean you are entitled to any and all Indigenous practices in México. 
  5. It is NOT okay to romanticize and claim a pan-indigenous identity, then mix all these different indigenous group art without meaning or context.
  6. Indigenous people from what is now Mexico are not extinct or dead. Stop talking about us in the past tense. 
  7. Reading books by non-Indigenous anthropologists/historians about Indigenous people does not mean you know more than Indigenous people about their own cultures.  
  8. Sexism, machismo, and fetishizing womxn is NOT respecting our ancestors. 
  9. Bashing queer indigenous people is NOT decolonial. 

Thank you for reading. 

tolteka said: Pt. 5And no, I actually have nothing against gay people. I called you out specifically for your homosexual agenda and false interpretations of our theology. Obviously there was gay people before the conquest and it was accepted to some degree. But duality was a big part of mexica way of living and understanding. Ometeotl had male and female aspects (ometecuhtli/omecihuatl). Thats why the mexica considered homosexuality to be a crime against the state, because it upset the balance of male-female

Pt 6 aspects (ometecuhtli/omecihuatl). Thats why the mexica considered homosexuality to be a crime against the state, because it upset the balance of male-female family traditions

What do you keep talking about Indigenous folks in the past tense? We are still alive to this day and you aren’t one of us.

Homosexuality and heterosexuality are ideas brought by the spaniard. Masculinity and femininty don’t mean the same in Indigenous communities. And EVERYONE is a part of ometeotl, including queer people. 

Get out of my ask box you are basic and ignorant. 

tolteka said: pt.1 Yes idiot, our Mexican heritage because the majority of Mexicans have indigenous ancestry whether you like it or not. White people in mexico only make up 10% of the population. You're the one making assumptions here, how do you know if I have indigenous roots or not? I find it funny that you so blindly accept oral tradition from these "elders" or Danzantes as if it wasn't exposed to 500 years of colonizing distortions, biases, and human ulterior motives.

(pt. 2) Books contain biases and filters, too. But they contain information that is recorded so much closer to the pre-European source than modern orakl accounts. And I’m referring to the books that were labeled the “Florentine Codex” that were written after the conquest by Sahagun with the help of Nahua teachers and Tlacuilos. I’m well aware of what the amoxtli is, more importantly the Teo Amoxtli is what kept all of the knowledge of our ancestors theology. (pt 3) Oral tradition was not the basis of knowledge recording in Tenochtitlan. Maybe outside in the “tribal” areas. But in Tenochtitlan, books were the basis of instruction. And we had thousands of them. Only 12 pre conquest mexica books or “codices” survived along with hundreds of manuscripts that were prepared by scribes after the conquest. Only a fool would think that reading these materials are somehow a bad thing.

Having “Indigenous ancestry” doesn’t mean you have Tolteca, Mexica, Olmec, Maya, Chichimeca, etc ancestries. Fuck your entitlement. Indigenous people still exist, we are here, and we are not your ancestors or your fetish.

You’ve clearly never actually dealt with these “codices” because they are all pictures except for spanish writing. You can’t read those materials because you don’t know what they mean, and neither do your anthropologists,

You can blow up my ask box all you want, you just mad cuz you’re straight up colonized Chicano who has to use books to support his ridiculous rejections of “queer” Indigenous people. 

My elders will always know more than your anthropologists. Don’t be mad and aggressive cuz you are colonized. 

Why call yourself mexican? You’re just a spaniard pretending to have indigenous ancestry. 

tolteka said: pt.1boo hoo! are you offended? I'm attacking you for degrading our heritage as mexican people. For what? so that you could promote this "queer culture" of yours on this blog. I could care less if you speak nahuatl, that doesn't make you anymore educated on the subject of my ancestors theology. You say that these are colonial interpretations from the original nahuatl that was taught to you by these danzantes you're associated with. So from the original Nahuatl, it is still being described as....

"same sex eroticism" and "patron of MSM" ?? all I needed to read was that you were taught this from some "elder" or Danzantes to know this was a Fraud. I know the history of these type of Danzantes who shit on our heritage with their new age fraud interpretations of our culture or as they claim it is being passed down as "oral tradion". And no, I do actual readings from reknown mexican anthropologist/historians like Miguel Leon Portilla, Alfredo Lopez Austin and numerous others. An addition  to first hand sources from the 16th century like the Florentine Codex, Ballads of the Lords of New Spain and Cantares Mexicanos. NONE of these books ever mention anything homo erotic like you are claiming xochipilli to be.

Mexican heritage? Just because you’re Mexican it doesn’t mean all Indigenous folks are your heritage. Not all Mexicans have Indigenous roots. 

You are just a straight up machista, homophobic Chicano who can’t accept that the colonizer brought strict gender binary systems and hatred of “queer” expressions.

And if you think an anthropologists/historians are somehow a valid source, you are fucked. Those interpretations are colonized, just like you.

FLORENTINE CODEX? You don’t even know the right name, you can’t even understand the amoxtli unless you understand what each image represents. Our wisest elders don’t even have access too or can fully come to a conclusion as to what each amoxtli means, but your “anthropologists” can? 

The spaniards had the goal of colonizing, and you are the perfect example of a colonized person. Congrats on being the spaniard’s dog cuz you are barking just like they did.

tolteka said: no dumbass, I'm not missing the point. I've asked you several times where you're getting your source to this interpretation. My only guess is that you're making this stuff up on your own to put it on this homo erotic blog of yours.

I myself as, an indigenous person, am translating from cuiloni and tecuilontiani, which are folks who were main participants in ceremonies and danzas for Xochipilli. 

I am not making any of this up, I am just offering interpretations in English (which I am saying is NOT a correct translation, and any done in any other language than Nahuatl will ALWAYS be incorrect). My sources are my culture, my practices. I am an indigenous peron from México, I am a Nahua person.

I repeat, interpretations are not correct, that’s why they are interpretations. There is NO way to properly describe/translate in colonial languages like English or Spanish. 

I have told you what Indigenous group I belong to.

I have spoken to you in Nahuatl, 

You have failed to respond. You attacked me for no reason, I am telling you these are interpretations from the COLONIAL viewpoint, yet you are not listening.

What sources do you have? Wikipedia doesn’t count.
At this point, I can question your roots. Your tumblr name is “tolteka”, where are your roots, what groups do you come from?

Or are you just a machista Chicano romanticizing my roots then attacking me for offering interprations I have explained are just interpretations.

tolteka said: I'm only limited to 250 words so I'll just make my point loud and clear in this last post. If your source is this "elder" that translated this info to you about Xochipilli being the "Patron of MSM" then I don't even won't to bother arguing with you.

It is like you aren’t reading my responses.

I am telling you that is an INTERPRETATION in the english language based in its colonial systems because there is no way to properly describe it. I am not saying Xochipilli is a patron of msm, but rather that is how the west would interpret it. (In my blog, I even say all interpretations are based on colonial, western ideas that we have to challenge) 

If any person describes any Teotl as having influences over “male” or “female”, that would be false too because it doesn’t properly explain the difference in gender systems.

secrethistoriesproject:

12. Bayard Rustin

What do a ‘Communist draft-dodging homosexual sex-pervert’ and a ‘Civil Rights hero’ have in common?

Well, for starters, they’re sometimes the same person.

Bayard Rustin was an activist and teacher who played a key role in the Civil Rights movement. His accomplishments included:

  • Rustin moved to New York after spending time at university and in teacher training, and quickly became active in civil rights politics. He registered as a conscientious objector to World War II, and went to California to help protect the interests and properties of Japanese-Americans who were interred for the duration of the war.
  • He worked on the campaign to defend the Scottsboro Boys, and was an early worker on the campaign for desegretation on public transport. In 1942, he was arrested for the first of many times for repeatedly refusing to move from the front seat of a bus when asked to do so.
  • In 1947, he helped organise the first of the Freedom Rides, sponsored by the Fellowship of Reconciliation (FOR), an interfaith and mixed-race pacifist group. He was arrested while on the Ride and served twenty-two days in a chain gang in North Carolina
  • In 1948, he travelled to India to learn from Gandhi’s pacifist independence movement. 
  • In 1956, he went to work as a close advisor to Dr Martin Luther King, passing on the techniques of non-violent resistance that he learned from the Gandhian movement. 
  • And finally, he was the main organiser of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedomthe event at which Dr King made his ‘I Have a Dream’ speech (link is to video). It was in no small part thanks to Rustin’s careful organisation (of everything from bus marshals to bathroom facilities) that the march was able to stay peaceful and non-violent.

So why have you never heard about Bayard Rustin in history class? 

Because Bayard Rustin was gay. 

(or, perhaps more accurately, because Bayard Rustin was openly gay and not particularly interested in keeping quiet about it).

In 1953, he was arrested in Pasadena, California for having consensual sex in a parked car with two male partners. He was intially charged with vagrancy and lewd conduct: the charges were later altered to a lesser count of ‘sex perversion’, to which he pleaded guilty. After his conviction, he was asked to leave the FOR,and he was later shunned by many members of the civil rights movement.

It’s important to remember that this may not have been completely due to the homophobia of the other civil rights leaders — they were acting under  the fear of being smeared or blackmailed by right-wing opposition (after all, these events were taking place at the height of McCarthyism). Their fears weren’t ill-founded, either — in 1963, right-wing Senator Strom Thurmond lectured Congress on Rustin’s 'Communist draft-dodging homosexual sex-pervert' ways. Some opponents even threatened to circulate rumours that Rustin and Dr King were having an affair. 

Nevertheless, Rustin never seems to have been inclined to deny his sexuality or to keep it a secret. Rachelle Horowitz, a fellow March organiser, commented that she thought 'he’d never heard there was a closet’.  Immediately after his removal from the FOR Rustin briefly saw a psychiatrist, Dr Robert Ascher, but seems to have quickly given up on the idea of attempting to ‘cure’ himself of being gay. He continued to have male partners, and formed a long-term relationship with Walter Naegle in the late 1970s which lasted until the end of his life. As the litany of his achievements above suggests, he also managed to overcome the stigma of having been arrested for his sexuality. After being dismissed from the FOR, Rustin became secretary of the War Resisters’ League, and later worked as a secretary to Dr King.

Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, Rustin continued to work for civil rights — and among those rights were gay rights. He was one of the first thinkers to begin comparing the post-Stonewall gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement, and in 1986 he gave a speech entitled ‘The New N****** Are Gays’ — a statement that I’m not going to comment on aside from saying that I think he was much more qualified to have an opinion about the topic than I am. He also worked to found Project South Africa, a programme which sought to connect concerned Americans with groups working for democracy in SA. By the time of his death in 1987, his FBI file stretched to over 10,000 pages.

At a time when post-1960s white American society was settling into cosily mythologising the history of the Civil Rights movement into a non-threatening, happy story of ‘Rosa Parks sat down on the bus because her feet were tired and then racism was over, hooray’, Rustin continued to ask difficult questions, cause trouble and demand more from his society — and for that, I sort of have to love him. 

More:

PDF of Rustin’s essay ‘From Montgomery to Stonewall’ plus a pamphlet authored by him preparing marchers for the 1963 March: http://www.illinoisprobono.org/calendarUploads/Rustin%20Documents.pdf

Walter Naegle, Rustin’s partner, speaks about his life: http://rustin.org/?page_id=11

Detailed bio of Rustin from ‘Waging Nonviolence’: http://wagingnonviolence.org/2012/03/revisiting-rustin-on-his-centennial/

Profile on KNOWhomo with a brief excerpt from ‘The New N****** Are Gays’: http://knowhomo.tumblr.com/post/11565611172

Washington Post article on Rustin: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/bayard-rustin-organizer-of-the-march-on-washington-was-crucial-to-the-movement/2011/08/17/gIQA0oZ7UJ_story.html

Website for Brother Outsider, a film biography of Rustin: http://rustin.org/?page_id=2

Article on Rustin’s speech ‘The New N****** are Gays’: http://killingthebuddha.com/mag/damnation/gays-are-the-new-niggers/

Wikipedia biography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

tolteka said: it sounds like your just pushing for a gay agenda with Xochipilli, regardless of its TRUE meaning.What sources are you using to translate xochipilli? I can list you many first hand post conquest sources that don't mention anything gay related.

Look, I am not gay. At all, so please don’t assume. You also assumed I am male in your tumblr post.

I never said Xochipilli was gay, ever. 

I don’t need “post conquest resources” (And they wouldn’t even mention anything “gay” especially since the term homosexual didn’t appear until the 1800’s) I speak some Nahuatl, the majority of my resources and knowledge come from my elders, most of whom are Mexica, even tho I am from a Chichimeca group. 

Honestly, looking at your blog, you just seem like a Chican@ who thinks all indigenous Mexican cultures are theirs to explore. Romanticizing is a horrible thing to do.

Tinahuatltlahtoa? 

decolonizequeer:

Xochipilli is the god of flowers, dance, beauty, and art in Aztec mythology. He is also called Flower Prince because his name can be split from two Nahuatl words, xochitl meaning flower and pilli meaning prince. Xochipilli was also a god of fertility and associated with gender-variance and same-sex eroticism. Xochipilli was seen as the patron of MSM (men who have sex with men), which may have resulted from his associations with Toltec civilization. (Aztecs viewed the Toltecs as their predecessors). 

I’ve made the mistake of assuming folks who reblogged/liked this would know that these descriptions are the closest interpration in English, and not an absolute fact. (My mistake)
We have to realize that the language we used to describe and explain also comes with certain pre-set ideas, including those of sexuality and gender. 

Mexica/Chichimeca/Nahua/Tolteca (indigenous folks in general before colonization have had, and continue to have, different gender and sexuality systems that are completely different across groups).
When describing Xochipilli as a patron of “same sex” activities, it is purely based on the western, colonial idea of sex and gender, and how a lot of us understand and interpret the world due to colonialism and attempted erasure.

There are many things I would need to correct here, but neither Spanish nor English would properly explain the meaning and context.

To begin, it is correctly Mexica (not Aztecs). Though many Nahua peoples, including Chichimeca (which is in itself a term that needs to be discussed) also held a similar belief system with the Mexica (and yes there are Mexica-Chichimeca folks)
The term “god” is also an interpretation of “teotl”, which can maybe, more closely, be translated as energy (possibly)? 

There is much to explain, but if any folks have any question, please just ask.

-Decolonize Queer

tolteka said: quit spreading false information. There was nothing homosexual about xochipilli. It had no association with "men having sex with men"

If you read my blog before asking, you’d realize that I am only describing with the closest interpretation in english. I understand that gender and sexuality systems were different among pre-colonial Mexica and Nahua people (continue to be different in many parents to this day), however we struggle to this day to decolonize our gender/sexuality systems as Indigenous folx. Neither english nor spanish properly describe Xochipilli’s attributes and what would now be called “queerness” (which I explain is the closest interpration in ENGLISH and NOT an absolute one). Understand that my post is not an uneducated one, but rather one limited by the english language and the effects of colonialism

Sincerely, a chichimeca-tolteca

Tlazocamahti.